I’m joined by luxury interior designer Nicholas Moriarty to explore the intersection of wellness and design.
The mind-body system is always getting feedback from the environment. I’m joined by luxury interior designer Nicholas Moriarty to explore that intersection of health and design. He shares his perspective on how we can build a cradle of support in our spaces and use interior design to inform healthy habits and rituals.
Because Nicholas works in the luxury design space, he’s witnessed firsthand the importance of energetics in a home. In his words, you can have all the visual beauty in the world, but if you're not fixing what's happening internally, then it doesn't matter what’s manifesting on the outside. We discuss how this concept has shown up in both of our lives, and specifically for Nicholas, how it’s infomed his career as a designer.
Nicholas also shares small design elements that you can edit and change to make each space in your home more purposeful. His goal is to educate people on how to live with more intention and pursue what feels good, particularly when it comes to the built environment.
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Dana Frost 00:07
Welcome to Vitally You, a podcast created to introduce you to the tools that will be your roadmap for feeling younger while growing older. I'm your host Dana Frost, a wellness expert, life coach and energy medicine practitioner. Here's what you can expect conversations about vitality from the inside out with guest experts in the field of health, culture and spirituality, and solo episodes along the way from me where I do deep dives into the topics of aging, heart intelligence, energy, medicine, and your innate capacity to heal. If you want to feel younger, while growing older, this is the place for you.
Dana Frost 00:52
Hi, everyone. I'm Dana Frost, your host of the Vitally You podcast coming to you this week with a very special guest, Nicholas Moriarty. Before we get started, I want to thank Vitalii you and the x 39 stem cell activation patch by lifewave. They are sponsoring today's podcast. If you would like to know more about how to activate your body's stem cells, you can check out the link in the show notes.
Dana Frost 01:20
Okay, everybody, I'm excited about this episode. I met Nicholas in the fall of 2009 in the old Swedish neighborhood in Chicago called Andersonville. So I met him at an architectural antique store called Scout, where I had gone to purchase a rustic table for a new home. We had recently repatriated to the US, we were living in Chicago, and we renovated a home that was over 100 years old. I mean, this home, had amazing bones, it had beautiful led glass windows. And up to this point, I had made all the design decisions by myself actually went into so many architectural antique stores to get all of our lighting. I had this really beautiful hand painted tile in the kitchen and in the primary bathroom from a company in Minneapolis. But I was at a loss for how to furnish a living room it was really awkwardly positioned. You know, we have a big family.
Dana Frost 02:25
And we also like to have friends and family gatherings. And I just, I really just didn't know how to maximize the space. Anyway, we were chatting about all of that. And as we were talking, it became apparent to me that Nicholas was a really special person. Have you ever had that feeling when you meet someone you just know you feel it. I knew that he was really special. And I didn't really know what that meant at the time. But after learning that he is a designer I hired him. And over the past 14 years, he's become more than a friend to me. As we learn more about each other through the years, it was evident to me that we had been brought together and had a rich purpose in one another's lives. I'm really excited to share Nicholas with you this week.
Dana Frost 03:13
He has a unique voice. He is the founder of Nicholas Moriarty designs, or I think it's Nicholas Moriarty interiors. His work is characterized by his ability to reimagine a space without losing the essence of what makes it beautiful. Guess what he says makes a space beautiful. Not the things that you put in the space, not the way that you re design the space, but the people who breathe life into it every day. His work is recognizable for its depth of texture, personality and warmth. He works with a wide variety of clients. I always say you've got to save space in your schedule for little Oh, me. He's partnered with national celebrities, fortune 500, executives, doctors, lawyers, artists and everyone in between. And the same can be said for their final spaces. They're all unique.
Dana Frost 04:10
He operates from a firm belief that your space should look like your own. His firm is so when I say his firm, the people who are working with him is really just to be a partner in helping to elevate that space, with the Nicholas Moriarty interiors signature eclectic contemporary and modern style. Nicholas is an industry leader. He's been featured in The Wall Street Journal and modern living and that's just to name a few. His industry sees him as a leader. He is a speaker on many different platforms in the design industry. He also leads from the belief that your home is a refuge and caring for yourself and your living space is a vitally important. We share a love for health and wellness. And he's with us today. aim to talk about the intersection of your health and your home. Please join me in welcoming Nicolas to the show. Nicholas, welcome to the show. You know, it's such a pleasure to have you.
Nicholas Moriarty 05:12
Well, I'm beyond honored to be here, for sure.
Dana Frost 05:15
Well, Nicholas, you know, I am so interested in the topic. Well, number one, we talk about wellness, often, almost every time we're together, something about wellness and health comes up. But I'm really interested in this idea of how design and wellness come together. So maybe you could tell us, how did you Where does that fit in your work and in your framework, and how you came to combine and think about those two things together.
Nicholas Moriarty 05:41
I think it's literally just my entire life journey. I grew up in a family, thankfully, where my mother was very art inclined, she was a florist and we grew up on a large acreage, we were surrounded by large planting beds and a huge garden that we farmed by hand, and she was very, you know, good at keeping a beautiful home. And so it was just part and parcel to who I was as a child and how I was raised. But that came with also a lot of tragedy, I lost my sister, when I was very young, I lost my mother, when I was young, I lost my brother to suicide and, and my father as well. And so for me, that whole coalescence of you know, my childhood and how I was raised, when you add that to all of the trauma that I experienced, is, from a personal standpoint, it really made me hyper conscious and aware of the things in and around me that I had immediate access to, to make my life better, right. And when you experience trauma, and when you experience, you know, life forces coming at you that are far outside of your control, the only thing you can do is go inward and find the strength and resolve that exists within you innately to kind of work through that and to kind of heal that.
Nicholas Moriarty 06:55
And so there's a lot of factors involved in that. And from a very early age, I was exposed to art. As a child, I grew up watching this old house and fundamentally saw, you know, these beautiful experiences in these beautiful lessons of how craft and artistry can, in a lot of ways save people or inspire people, you see this as far back as cave dwellings, right? Were these humans that didn't really have anything in the context of how we think of stuff. And materiality, would spend an exorbitant amount of time ornamenting and decorating their caves with a purpose, right. And then you see that as society progresses. And as life progresses, unfortunately, it was mostly wealthy and affluent people that had access to that. And so you would see it in the roofing leads and whatnot, on the churches, but it was always there to inspire, sometimes subjugate, but mostly inspire people for something else. So it's just interesting to me that my life has kind of always had that component to it. But it is the focus on the artistry and the history of what design can do from a wellness standpoint, that's, that's always kind of been at the forefront of my mind.
Dana Frost 08:09
That's really interesting. You know, we're so influenced by the environments that we grow up in. Right.
Nicholas Moriarty 08:15
Yeah, I mean, that's for sure thing, you know, and access is something that is a privilege, and it's something that I'm very conscious of in my own life. But that's one of the wonderful things about, you know, in history, the prevalence of churches, or mosques or, or synagogues, or whatever it may be an in current society with museums, and things of that nature, right, even, you know, architecture in a built space, or public art, on museum campuses, or in public parks and things like that.
Nicholas Moriarty 08:48
The environment that you exist in is going to constantly give you feedback, it's going to constantly tell your body one thing or the other, right, if you're if you're somebody who was just born to the wrong family pool on the Southside of Chicago, and you're subjugated to, to having to be surrounded by decay and gang violence and things like that, obviously, that's going to have a response on your sympathetic nervous system, right? versus somebody growing up on the north shore of Chicago where you're surrounded by beautiful architecture and, and manicured parks and public art and access to the length lakefront you are more likely than not going to be more dialed into your parasympathetic nervous system. Right?
Nicholas Moriarty 09:34
And so those are baseline things that humans either do or don't have control over that are going to fundamentally shaped the way that they live their lives and all of that is going to have a huge impact on their health and their wellness.
Dana Frost 09:44
Something that you said that I want to highlight because I think that this is the golden nugget, Nicholas and what you said, our mind body system is always getting feedback from the environment and the environment has many different aspects to it, it is the visual aspect of it. It is the emotional aspect in the environment, it is the energetic aspect of the environment. And our body unconsciously is responding to that environment. So I love how you I just want to bring this together, because you've said that because of your upbringing, the influence of your upbringing, because of the traumas that you experienced at a young age, you decided that you would be in control of the things that you had control over.
Dana Frost 10:31
Right. And I think that that's something that all of us can take leadership in our own life. But I think it's, I think we do forget how we are pinging off of our environments. And how we keep our environments. I mean, simple things, like I'm a really, I'm a big believer, keeping your environment orderly, actually helps the mind to be orderly, it helps the system feel order. And, you know, I don't know, do you want to have do you have anything to say about those things, Nicholas,
Nicholas Moriarty 11:05
so much, you know, obviously, what you do with Vitaliy you is, is much more health and science based, and then what I do on the surface of things, right, but in reality, when you look at it from a health standpoint, like the reality of design truly does come down to how you interface with the whole autonomic nervous system, right? Our parasympathetic system, our sympathetic nervous system, the whole vagal nerve, a scenario that we have going on in our body. And all of that is acutely tied to what you're visually taking in at any moment in time, right. And whether you are blind, deaf, 2020, vision, whatever it is, you're experiencing, built environment at all times. And so the way that you see color on a day when it's sunny is going to read differently to you than the way that you see color on a day that it's cloudy.
Nicholas Moriarty 11:59
The way that you interpret chaos, for instance, as I mentioned before, on the Southside of Chicago, where buildings are decaying, versus the north side of Chicago, where buildings are beautiful, and everything is manicured, right? All of that has its purpose in informing us in a multitude of ways, right? When we feel safe, when we feel threatened, when we feel alive when we feel drained. And the purpose that I have as an interior designer is is not just to spend money to create beauty, right? That's the easy part. It's to influence the daily habits, the rituals that people have, to your point to bring order to an otherwise chaotic world, or the world that we see perceived as chaotic. And so it's it's a massive privilege and a massive responsibility to be able to recognize what those individual components have built space can do, to very specifically influence your day in and day out healthy habits or unhealthy habits.
Nicholas Moriarty 13:01
A perfect example of this and a recognition for me from when I was a child is right after my mother passed away. When I was 13. One of the few acts that my father did for me that was really great, was he took me to Seattle to see some family and we went to the Seattle Art Museum. And it was the first time that I ever got to experience a full retrospective of Andy Warhol. His work, or Hall is one of my absolute favorite artists of all time, that was a pivotal moment in my life. That was a definitive moment where I can look at in my life history, where I was surrounded by such immense beauty so much, or that I somehow knew that I would be okay if I just pursued that feeling.
Dana Frost 13:40
Oh, that is so powerful. Yeah,
Nicholas Moriarty 13:44
yeah, it's a recognition of, again, what all of those things that we're talking about can do in your life.
Dana Frost 13:49
I want to make a comment about this idea of environments that are decaying and from an external visual perspective, and environments where everything is maintained. And it's manicured, if you will, you know, it's so interesting, Nicholas, that whole concept because I was raised in a blue collar family. I always felt tremendous love in my home. And I mean, I you know, we had Okay, homes, we had nice environments. They weren't fancy or anything, they were just, you know, I don't know, they were fine. But I always felt loved and as I've progressed and had different experiences and and had the privilege to, I don't know if it's a privilege, but I've lived in beautiful environments, that that is a privilege, but also living in environments that are manicured. I have found, and I'm going to just say this in environments where they are so manicured, I have found great deprivation of the soul. And so I think that I agree with everything you're saying.
Dana Frost 14:56
But I think that there's this underlying aspect of the soul and our experience as humans, that if a person is loved and they feel you said, pursue that feeling, they feel that love, it will overcome so much adversity, that to have that seed of love in, you know, in the human experience from an early age, it helped me be able to forgive my dad when he cheated on my mom, three year, you know, really devastation from my perspective as an 18 year old, to have my parents split up for three years and just the chaos that was in my family in my high school. But because I have that seed of love, it really buoyed me. And what I found so shocking when we moved back to the US after living abroad for 10 years, and I was plopped into a very wealthy community, which was the North Shore, we can be very Chicago specific.
Dana Frost 16:01
My observations were that there were a lot of young people who felt lonely, who had anxiety, who were not really connected. And this, this is a generalization. I certainly found other families who were I'm just saying it, it was a real moment for me to recognize, you can really have all of the visual beauty and some of the homes we went into were stunning for like to take dance photos and things like that, we would, we would, you know, they would typically go to the nicest home to take these photos. And you can have all of that all the visual. But if you don't have the seed of love, you actually have deeper deprivation, because you're almost fooled into believing that you have everything you need. And you have you actually have the most, you don't have the most important thing that you need.
Nicholas Moriarty 16:55
Yeah, and I think that's a very important point. And it's one of the things that I think is really quite interesting about what I do for a living, because, you know, we work in the luxury design market. And, you know, you can spend any amount of money to make anything look beautiful. But at the end of the day, if it's not in service of something, right, if it's not in service of a human actually having the best experience of their life that they possibly can, which overflows, then unto how they interact with all of the other humans in their life, than for me, it's pointless, right? And I think you see, and you experience that, in very real terms. When you do walk into built environments, if you're somebody who's connected to the inner mechanisms of your mind, body, and spiritual, you know, being, it's pretty obvious when you walk into a space and it feels devoid of love as you're talking about, right? It could be the most stunning environment.
Nicholas Moriarty 17:52
But if it's not evoking within you that joy, right, it's again, it's what I'm talking about, about the vagal nerve tone, right? If you're not responding to it in a way that's satiating you that's calming you, then it's for naught, right. And it doesn't matter how much money it cost, or how beautiful it may be. That's, I think one of the things that gets missed a lot. And what actually does happen in luxury to design, there is a very specific component of the wellness aspect of all that that's missed, right? And that's to say, Well, it's great that you can throw this money at the problem, just like you can any, any other aspect of health and wellness, you can throw an insane amount of money at personal training and whatnot. But if you're not fixing what's happening internally, then it doesn't matter what's happening and manifesting on the outside, you can be the most insanely beautiful person with the most insanely ripped body, and you can be a dumpster fire on the inside, right?
Nicholas Moriarty 18:46
And it's the same thing with a home, you can have the most beautiful home filled with the most beautiful artwork. But if the people that are inhabiting that home are last in their own in their own pursuit of betterment, then again, it's just kind of pointless. It's just putting stuff in a space.
Dana Frost 19:02
Yeah. And honestly, I think we could end the podcast right here, we're not going to but that was so that was poignant. The most important thing that you could have said, I think from a designer perspective, and what I appreciate about working with you, so we've been working together now, since I think 2009 is when I met you, and it could have been 2011 but I honestly think it was fall of 2009 You're very skilled at getting to the heart of the person you're working with and determining what is it that this person this who the who the inhabitants are what is it that they need and how can I create the design to fit their you know, to fit what their needs are and I've always really appreciated about appreciated that about you and I love that you bring in you know just I know the list of my listeners have heard me talk a lot about parasympathetic and sympathetic but just to say it you know for any Anyone who hasn't heard me talk about this or hasn't been exposed to it parison, your autonomic nervous system, it is, we've been taught that you don't need to think about it.
Dana Frost 20:10
And many ways you don't, because it happens automatically. However, when we have trauma, it gets stuck in fight and flight mode, which is sympathetic mode. And that is, in general, putting your got your foot on the gas. So you're speeding up, parasympathetic is slowing down, you will moment to moment, you're moving in and out of parasympathetic and sympathetic mode. But you really want to be, you know, if you're in fight and flight over a long period of time, that's when you have the body breaking down on multiple levels. So I just wanted to clarify that for the listeners.
Nicholas Moriarty 20:47
Yeah, and it's a huge thing that I think is unfortunately, a giant crisis point. In this country, if not the world in in how we approach life, right? The stressors of life, the way that society is structured. Now, the way that people engage with other humans, the echo chambers that people exist within. Unfortunately, far too many humans are kind of lost in this chasm of only existing in the sympathetic responses in their body, right. And so instead of, you know, allowing those different parts of your body, which are necessary to be in harmony with each other, we're just blowing it out onto one side, and it's having massive detrimental effects on people, you see this inflammation in the obesity crisis, and in the anxiety levels that people experience in the lack of sleep that people have, and the lack of motivation that people have. It's all interlinked.
Nicholas Moriarty 21:45
And so one of the things that is really important about the work that I think we do, and this is what interests interests me about the type of design work that we do, is that we can educate people on how to really simplistically inform their lives on a day in day out ritualistic basis, to alleviate some of that BS that exists in the world, right? It starts with, you know, understanding that every choice that we make is an active pursuit of either destroying yourself or bettering yourself. Just that simple, right. And so if you wake up in the morning, and the first thing that you do is turn on the TV and turn on the news, and you're listening to Talking Heads bicker at each other about whatever or you're listening to echo chamber politics, or you're listening to doom and gloom type stuff, you're immediately taking your body from a resting state, throwing it into a into a fight or flight mode.
Nicholas Moriarty 22:48
And you're then starting your day off with that your adrenal levels are through the roof, your heart rates through the roof, your blood pressure is probably elevated. So any nutrients that you might be putting into your body, no matter how good they are, are not going to have the same effect, you're not going to get as energized, right. And so it's like eat something just that simple, can make can have compounding effects on you for the rest of the day. So if we're able to educate people on how to ritualize their morning and say, Look, you can wake up, you can sit in this area, in a little bit of darkness and gradually let the lights come up in your house and have a an area where you can very deliberately make your coffee or your tea or your breakfast or whatever, and allow the day to kind of rush in on you in the way that a day should, right?
Nicholas Moriarty 23:36
You're going from like here to here, right? And that in and of itself can have compounding effects for you. And there's points like that throughout everything that we do, right and how we engage people on setting up their their home offices or their bedrooms, or trying to talk people out of putting televisions in every single space in their home or, or lighting levels, all of these things have have so many really poignant touch points on how we can edit and change and, you know, get those systems a little bit more in alignment.
Dana Frost 24:12
I love that. Yes. And there is a there's a cradle of support that we can provide ourselves through our environment. And that's that I know that that's what you help your clients do. And let's just talk to the person who can't afford someone like you. What are some of the things that they can do in their environments? I love what you you know, you mentioned a few of the things but what are the things that you would say to that person who can't afford to work with you?
Nicholas Moriarty 24:43
I think it's it comes down to something that I've talked to you about specifically about a mantra in life that just says is this serving me? And I think that's a really, really, really valuable way to approach absolutely everything that you're doing in your home environment. Look at it and simply say to yourself, is this serving They look at the things that are in your bedroom are they serving you look at the things in your living room, are they suffering, you look at the amount of time you spend, when you wake up before you go to bed, how much television are watching how bright your lights are all of that kind of stuff, right? And then there's there's small things that you can edit and change, to make each one of those things a little bit more purposeful.
Nicholas Moriarty 25:21
If you're somebody that's struggling with sleep, for instance, then set up a bedroom that is devoid of screens, where you can have dim lights at least two hours before you go to bed. And there's a lot of research on this on the web to right most people have access to the internet now. And there's a lot of ways to just Google like how to create an environment that's, that's better for my sleep, but or how to create a morning ritual. Right? The podcast
Dana Frost 25:45
on?
Nicholas Moriarty 25:49
Exactly. There's, you know, for me, that's the fundamental though, looking at every single aspect of it, and then saying, is this serving me? Beyond that? If we really look at it, from a design standpoint, there's a really a tremendous amount of research, that's, well, I should use that term loosely. But there's more emphasis is being placed on color theory, right? And what that does in trauma informed design, and in design in general, right, like, red may be your favorite color, but your entire house should not be red, right? It is going to raise your levels and your body to an unnatural state. You know, so even looking at that, and understanding like, Hey, you may be able to put new pillows in your bedroom or your living room, well, what color would they be, that's going to feel better to you?
Nicholas Moriarty 26:31
Right. And also looking at the consumerist aspect of everything that we do. Now, we live in such a disposable society, that everybody just looks at something and says, Well, that's trendy, maybe I'll grab that. But again, if you look at it under the guise of like, this is something that is going to be precious to me that I want it to serve a purpose of in my life of bringing me joy, than look at that object and say, like, Hey, maybe I can only spend $15 on a pillow. That's great. But maybe it's you find fabric at a at a fabric showroom that's deeply on sale? And you can you take a YouTube video on how to hand stitch a pillow, you know, I don't know, people spent so much screen time, you know, that I feel like there's a lot that people could do for themselves, especially in these ways, right? Whether it's repainting a room, or just simply rearranging the things in your already built environment to to have more more functional and fuel for how you should be living your life to serve whatever purpose you need it.
Dana Frost 27:35
I love that those are such clear take homes for people. Is this serving me? So let's just is this serving me and it comes down to what I do with people with in terms of health, Nicholson that is tracking you we have and this is what I hear you saying is become the keen observer of everything that's happening, whether we're tracking food, mood, hoop exposures, the people that we're with, you know, the our daily tasks, we're tracking, how are we responding to all these different things, you're bringing in that element of track? What's happening in your environment? And how are you responding to it? Is it serving me, don't be afraid to let go, I find that anytime time I do an inventory and I start letting go of things and clear the space, because we collect over time, right? And just clear the spaces. It's amazing how that just seems to open space energetically in my life.
Nicholas Moriarty 28:38
Yeah, and I mean, one of the other things to understand about that, too, is that everything has an equal and opposite reaction, right. And so the whole mantra of isn't serving me can also be seen in a negative light is the serving me to have a television in my bedroom, to watch incessant amounts of TV to fall asleep to be okay with exploring that, right? Because there is just as much value in that is understanding like the most optimal place to keep your sugar in your coffee setup for the morning ritual, right? Because you're going to uncover and explore and find out a lot of things about yourself in that regard, too.
Dana Frost 29:15
I love all of these things, because we're nearing our end. Is there anything besides my final question that I will be asking you? Is there anything else that you would like to share with the listeners?
Nicholas Moriarty 29:26
You and I share a lot of the same viewpoints as far as our outlook on the built medical society that we live in. And, you know, I just really hope that everybody that's listening to this will understand that there is so much at your disposal that you can take hold of that can fundamentally change your life in a way that the built medical world as it exists now necessarily can't do for you. The mind is a very powerful place and the mind with its power can be heavily influenced by what you are taking in around you. And if you can't afford to have a beautiful home for yourself, and you can afford the bare minimum, there are so many great public spaces that you can go to, to gain just as much of that experience from and I think that's a really important thing to focus on as well.
Dana Frost 30:17
I think that's really beautiful. I'm gonna add something in, I had a coaching client. And this has been I mean, years ago, and we did this tool that's called your home as a metaphor. And you walk around your home, have you ever heard of this, Nicholas, you walk around your home and you you just write, you write down everything you see, you just go through your home and take an inventory, and you write it down in pros and your own pros, and then you go back through. And it's amazing how the things that objects that we have in our home are impacting us. We've already talked about that. But so one of the things after I did that with this client, I suggested based on what she discovered that she start, we start the coaching process our relationship together by her beginning to eliminate things in her environment. It was approaching her movement forward from a different perspective. And actually, she, it just, she couldn't, she couldn't see that that was going to be beneficial. I can fast forward watching the trajectory, she's still stuck in the same patterns. The same I mean, she didn't become a she didn't she didn't continue coaching with me. But it's just it's really interesting. The what you're touching on is so basic and so fundamental and so simple and actually free. When you know, the idea of this inner design and the in your outer space, it's actually free. If you dial into it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
Nicholas Moriarty 31:53
that's the great thing about it. Right? And it's, it's everywhere to if you really open your eyes see that?
Dana Frost 31:58
Yeah. Okay, Nicholas. So what does feeling younger, while growing older mean to you?
Nicholas Moriarty 32:04
I love this question. For me, for me, what it truly comes down to is finding peace and balance with the inevitability of life, which is death, right. And I think when you fundamentally understand that you at some point, become a decaying creature, you can release I personally think so much of the expectation that people have about achieving all of these things in life are this pressure that you have to be some thing or fit some mold that people expect of you. And for me, that's come with a lot of personal freedom and a lot of personal peace. I've seen the fragility of life throughout my life, unfortunately. And I've made peace with that in a way that I think is our that has been fundamentally transformative for me. And so understanding that fragility, I think, is the key to longevity in a lot of ways, right? Releasing the expectations that you have to fit some old, and that you have to be a certain way is fundamentally framed. And I love
Dana Frost 33:11
that Nicholas and I, you know, recently and actually, just this morning, my son in law sent me a video. And it must I need to look into this influencer, I wasn't exposed to him before, but he was going under some longevity practices of another person who is spending $2 million a year chasing longevity. This is it seems like this man had sold it at sold a startup company and made, you know, his millions and millions of dollars. But it really it made me laugh, to be honest, that we're in in this realm of longevity. People are honestly spending hundreds of 1000s of dollars pursuing like, what is the pursuit? What's the real pursuit? And I think it is the fear of decay, exactly what you said. And so I'm a little bit I'm in this phase, I'm a little bit at odds right now with the wellness industry and what I see happening, that I don't believe it's true wellness, I don't believe chasing longevity as something that's not a attainable for most people. That's not real wellness. Real wellness is something that's in ternal. It's an internal process. And you've spoken beautifully about it. So thank you so much.
Nicholas Moriarty 34:27
Yeah, it for me, kind of to add to that just quickly. capability is a huge part of it, right? I don't train to to look a certain way. I don't get to take care of my skin to look a certain way. I do it all to be capable to be able to go out and do the things in life that I want to do. But I understand that that capability is going to look differently year over year, and that's okay.
Dana Frost 34:54
I love that. Well, thank you so much for being this week's guest. Nicholas,
Nicholas Moriarty 34:58
thank you for having me. You
Dana Frost 35:01
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