An illuminating episode with founder of MelodyClouds, Wayne Altman, who suffered from chronic tinnitus and found relief through the healing power of sound, binaural beats and solfeggio frequencies.
In this episode, Wayne and I discuss his introduction to binaural beats through tinnitus, how binaural and solfeggio beats interact with the brain, as well as my first experience with sound as a healing modality. Wayne also illustrates the studies of sound healing tests done in the military and how his company, MelodyClouds, is a toolbox filled with binaural and solfeggio beats to support you taking control over your mood, thoughts, and chronic health symptoms.
Listen in to hear Wayne’s story about the healing power of sound, ways that sound can provide relief to mental and physical ailments, and the positive side effects of sound healing tools in our lives.
Lastly, a big shout out to our listener, Carrie, for her heart-felt review, For the Love of Longevity! If you are enjoying these conversations, please subscribe and spread the love by leaving a review and sharing it with your friends. From my heart to yours.
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Dana Frost 00:07
Welcome to Vitally You, a podcast created to introduce you to the tools that will be your roadmap for feeling younger while growing older. I'm your host Dana Frost, a wellness expert, life coach and energy medicine practitioner. Here's what you can expect conversations about vitality from the inside out with guest experts in the field of health, culture and spirituality and solo episodes along the way from me where I do deep dives into the topics of aging, heart intelligence, energy, medicine, and your innate capacity to heal. If you want to feel younger, while growing older, this is the place for you.
Dana Frost 00:52
Hi, everyone. This is Dana Frost, your host of the Vitally You podcast. I have an intriguing show for you this week, I received a request from the publicist of this week's guest Wayne Altman, and after reading about his experience using sound in the form of binaural beats to heal tinnitus. I wanted to bring this conversation to you. But before we welcome our guests, I want to thank lifewave x 39 stem cell technology for sponsoring the Vitally You podcast. The X 39 stem cell patch activates your body's own stem cells so that you can decrease inflammation, calm the nervous system and improve cognition, decrease pain, improve the radiance of your skin, hair and nails, and enhance your energy. There is a link in the show notes to learn more. Please join me in welcoming this week's guest Wayne Altman, Wayne was introduced to the healing power of binaural beats after suffering from tinnitus, and looking for relief from this constant noise he experienced. You are going to be blown away by Wayne story and the ease of healing through specific sound waves. Wayne is a serial entrepreneur, military veteran and founder of melody clouds. Wayne, welcome to the vital you podcast. I'm really excited to have this conversation with you today.
Wayne Altman 02:20
Thank you for having me.
Dana Frost 02:21
So Wayne, I was so intrigued to hear about your work and your company and really excited to have you share with our community, the Vitally You community, this idea of using binaural and solfeggio beats and music and sound in the healing journey. So could you tell us how you came to this work Wayne?
Wayne Altman 02:47
So I was in the military for eight and a half years served in Desert Storm. And during that time and probably my teenage years of listening to a lot of loud music, I had done some damage to my hearing and I have a condition known as tinnitus, or tinnitus. Some people call it tinnitus. It is a ringing in my ear. It's a for me specifically, it is a ringing and a whooshing sound that never leaves. It's always there.
Wayne Altman 03:17
And a friend of mine also suffers from this knows that I suffer from it and invited me to come over to the house one day and played for me a track of music. This particular track did nothing and I was kind of confused why? You know why? Oh, okay, what's the big deal? It was a very woowoo kind of crunchy type music. And he knew that that kind of irritates me anyway, that's not who I am. He played the second track, saying better music just saying, you know, effect.
Wayne Altman 03:50
But the third track still, every time I talk, I've talked about this hundreds of times. The third track of music that he played for me gave me something I had not had for 30 years. And that was silence. It had totally counteracted the tinnitus. And I was left just listening to music. And believe me when I tell you that was an absolutely glorious feeling because it is. It's maddening when you're trying to talk to someone have a conversation.
Wayne Altman 04:20
And you hear this ringing right now I hear ringing in my ear during our conversation. And there is no cure. There are there are very few treatments that actually even work. And this is one. I will say that one week later, I have the domain melody clouds. I had procured 8000 hours of binaural beats which is what we're really talking about. And melody clouds was born and right now we're in over 100 countries. Wow.
Dana Frost 04:52
So in a year so this was just a year ago.
Wayne Altman 04:57
A year ago. A year ago for me now look binaural Beats have been around for years and years and years, okay for decades and solfeggio for centuries. But my introduction, what we're talking about my introduction to this, it impacted me so profoundly, that I immediately started a company and tried to bring this. I'm desperately trying to bring this to people, because it's that impactful.
Dana Frost 05:21
So you say there's no cure for tinnitus, and I say tinnitus. So tinnitus, tinnitus, tomato tomahto.
Wayne Altman 05:29
Right. Yeah. And so
Dana Frost 05:31
is it only when you're listening to the beats that you feel relief?
Wayne Altman 05:37
Yes. So what the way this works is binaural beat is a frequency, it's actually a frequency, your brain is an electrical appliance, every thought, every emotion, every instruction your brain gives, it gives it an electrical impulse, that impulse can be measured by an EEG. So we know what frequency those those impulses are, when you're angry, we know what frequency your brain is operating at. Or when you're in focus.
Wayne Altman 06:10
We also know what frequency your brain needs to be sending impulses for you to get that sensation of focus. Since we know that those feelings can be manipulated, we say melody clouds take charge of your mood. You've heard the expression, he's in the zone, or she's in the zone. Well, it turns out the zone is an actual place. And you can enter that place and you can exit that place at your will.
Dana Frost 06:41
Yes, I know that to be true. So I love what you're saying. So can you tell us what are binaural beats? I know there are two means two. But what what is that?
Wayne Altman 06:51
Okay, so the way your brain operates is by these frequencies, we know this, right? So a binaural beat takes one frequency in your right ear, it takes a different frequency in your left ear. So two frequencies, your brain I stopped saying your brain is forced because your brain doesn't get forced to do very much. But your brain chooses to split the difference between those frequencies. And that is how you get operating in that particular frequency. For example, for me for 32 megahertz is sleep.
Wayne Altman 07:27
If I want to go to sleep on melody clouds, there is a track of music. And I have designated that music with this icon of a sleeping baby. Okay, so I can find it easily. And every night when I go to bed, I play the sleeping baby. And my wife knows when the sleeping baby is on my phone, you got to count to 10 and I'm out of here. It takes I have seriously, the music is probably an hour long, I have listened to the first 15 seconds of that music hundreds of times and it works every time drops me like a bad habit.
Dana Frost 08:06
Yeah, I've definitely had that experience Wayne with, there's a channel on YouTube called New meditation music. And they have binaural beats, they have sleep music, and when I've had issues, I really have an issue falling asleep. And if I wake up in the middle of night, that's one modality that I'll turn to. So I've experienced that in my own life to be, you know, a very powerful modality. I've suggested it to clients as well. And so you have this collection, I'm assuming on on your company's website, where there are different beats for different states that you want the brain to be sure, okay, right. Okay,
Wayne Altman 08:51
for sure. On the app, and on the website, there are icons basically telling you what each of these frequencies should what they're presented to do what what they should do for you. It's very funny, because at first we did not do Sleep, sleep was not our thing. I had no binaural beat for sleep. And I went to a health fair and a woman came up to me and I was explaining the benefit of this. And she said No, stop. Let me stop you right there. I don't need that. I take for Benadryl right before I go to bed and I go right to sleep. And the look on my face. The color drained from my bed.
Wayne Altman 09:30
My wife said it looked like someone had smacked me in the face. Because I'm thinking the only thing I could think of is what are you doing to your liver? That's not what this medication is for. I mean, are you not giving any thought whatsoever to I mean for Benadryl that seemed excessive to me. I suffer in addition to the tinnitus, I suffer or tinnitus, I suffer from mind racing. So I will go to bed and I will lay there Are and I will be exhausted physically. But my brain goes Hold up a second. What about what you have to do tomorrow? What about the things that happened today, the memory of the conversation, you know what I mean? I'm probably the only person that suffers from this. However, am I not know you're not present not the only person that suffers from that I will sit there and think about everything.
Wayne Altman 10:25
Every interaction I've had with someone, my wife knows I reach my phone reach for my phone, she knows what's up any conversation you want to have with me better been before I hit play on that particular track, because it has worked for me every single time. Now, that also proved to me the reverse prove to me that this was an actual thing. Because when my friend a year ago showed me this, and the first two tracks of music did not work. But the third one did, then that left no argument for me. Because I immediately I thought, okay, if I go to a doctor, and he prescribes a medication, and that medication doesn't work, and for me, that happens fairly often. I've got to go back to the doctor now and get a new medication. Because our bodies are different. Every single one of us is a unique individual. So what works for one person may or may not work for another? So it made it real to me.
Dana Frost 11:35
Yeah, I mean, this is very true. Because I use the concept of bio individuality. We all we have different histories, we have different triggers, we have different mediators, which would be the things that make our symptoms better or worse. And so that story of each individual is completely unique. Those first two tracks, I'm just curious where they burn binaural beats, they weren't just different. Okay, so just different binaural beats,
Wayne Altman 12:02
just different frequencies. And I've got a blog post that I just did. As a matter of fact, I got one of the Okay, so most people would look at this a little differently, you tell me what you think. So we have an iOS app and an Android app, they're free. And I do not collect any information when you download those apps. And further than that, I don't let anyone else collect your information while you're using my app.
Wayne Altman 12:28
So I'm feeling pretty good about myself. And I get a lot of very good complimentary reviews. I got my first two star review, you know, negative review. I mean, that's pretty negative to me. And I sat there amazed. I'm like, wow, I was feeling pretty good about myself up until, you know, thank you, cat 3485. You know, making me feels horrible about myself. But she made some very cognitive and important points about my app.
Wayne Altman 12:59
And I started looking at it a little bit differently. We've made some changes, by the way, thanks to that. Excellent. review, review. Right, right. And so my point is, you know, it does not work the same way. And now I have a blog post or a FAQ on the website, just for people who are struggling to find the binaural beat or solfeggio frequency that they really look for that they need. I've organized things a little bit better, thanks to a rather derogatory review on the on the website and one of my friends said, Are you going to have her take it down? I'm like, No way. I couldn't have paid someone to give me that kind of insight.
Dana Frost 13:45
Yeah, I think that that's it's really important. All feedback is valuable. At some level, there's something that we can learn from feedback. So So tell me, okay, so we know that the binaural beats, one frequency coming in one year and other frequency coming. In other words, another year, tell us about solfeggio.
Wayne Altman 14:03
This is my favorite, really, I mean, binaural beats are really helped me but solfeggio frequency, the story behind this, to me was very fascinating. So in the 11th century, there was a monk named Guido de reso. And Guido recognized and was the first really to kind of recognize something that you and I take for granted. I don't play a musical instrument and I cannot sing you do not want me singing okay. My children remind me of that. I love to sing, but they remind me all the time do not say.
Wayne Altman 14:40
But even the people who can play musical instrument and are beautiful singers. I share something in common with them and with you. We can sit in an audience and recognize when an instrument is out of tune, or when a singer is performing very badly We can also recognize when one is singing beautifully. An entire audience can be moved is moved passionately, when someone is singing on key and with a beautiful voice. We all collectively recognize that ability, a cellist, a violinist, a piano player, hit one wrong note, and you lose the entire audience. But while they are on point, it is glorious. And we all know that and there is a solfeggio is that manifestation? It's that recognition that, hey, these things done well. Singing on key, those vibrations all move everyone at a same the same rate.
Dana Frost 15:53
Yeah, it's I believe it's at a cellular level, actually sound can heal at the cellular level.
Wayne Altman 16:01
There is a lot to that, because studies have been done by our military as well as other militaries. That there are frequencies of sound that basically break will. Back when the we were first tribes, and it was one tribe against another. We figured out very quickly that beating on a hollow log would send out vibrations would send out music drum beats, and it was a good communicator, because the other tribe knew Hey, they're not to be messed with, that sounds ominous.
Wayne Altman 16:37
Those sounds they're making seem like something you don't want to mess with. And the reverse of that is true. When we have celebrate, we all sing happy birthday together, we all it's a totally different vibration is a totally different sound that we're giving off. You go into one church, and it's very somber, and the organist playing and people feel immediately reverential. It's immediate, whether you worship that particular deity or not, you move across the street, to a praise situation where people are raising their hands and singing out to their God, and does not matter if you are worshiping that particular deity, you get the same feeling that euphoric rush, and the desire to praise that is solfeggio. And that is really the power of what we're talking about.
Dana Frost 17:34
Oh, I really love that I've never heard it described that way. That's really interesting. So one of my first introductions, Wayne to, to sound as vibration in terms of what I can remember, as an adult, I was introduced to light therapy, that company is in light wellness. And actually it was a person in them who was an engineer in the military who created this. Now they're, you know, we use light therapy, we know about red light therapy, blue light therapy, infrared light therapy, but when I was introduced to it, it was fairly, it wasn't something that everybody was talking about at that time.
Dana Frost 18:12
And the unique aspect of this light therapy device by InLight wellness is that the light is pulsed through frequencies. So it's not just a light on your body, you actually can program it to different frequencies. And so even though it's not audible, it's being pulsed in a frequency so your skin continues to respond to it because of the frequency, not just the light, light is also frequency. But when you add the light and with the sound frequency, you get a better response biologically, that was the first time that I I had really was introduced to this idea that sound is such a powerful healing modality.
Wayne Altman 18:57
Well, it makes perfect sense to anyone who has ever worked in an office building, or down in the basement or in a prison. Okay, I spent a lot of time working in the Texas Department of Corrections and most places are very dark and the moods that you would run into in this very dimly lit, maybe a bulb, it was a very dangerous situation. For that reason, people not being exposed to proper light, the sun light from the sun, or the only light that they ever came into contact with being fluorescent. If you just open up your eyes and be start to observe the world around you and how it works.
Wayne Altman 19:36
These things become very clear very quickly. Now, the reason that most people kind of turn a blind eye is because we've created the pharmaceutical company as miraculous as it is, has a pill for this and has a pill for that and so you try to short circuit or circumvent all of these natural type healings there This is why we become so it becomes so reductive. You can't talk to people about certain things anymore practically, because you don't have a and by the way, just to give you an example of what I'm talking about every single drug that you see on TV, and it is many, okay, every other commercial is a drug commercial. And what are they doing? They are singing and dancing about their drug. I don't know what it has to do with it. But every whether you're talking about irritable bowel syndrome, they've got a song for that it's a musical number. You know, whether it's birth control, I mean, it is crazy to me. Okay, I
Dana Frost 20:38
love that you pointed that out. I don't really watch TV that has the I mean, I do I used to so I'm very well aware of the pharmaceutical industry's propaganda. I had never really considered this idea that they're using music in the propaganda I you know, and then it's followed by the side effects.
Dana Frost 20:59
So that's, that is really interesting, Wayne. So tell me, how is it from your experience that mute sound? Music beats really can heal mental and physical ailments. I mean, I know that it's true for myself. I think that you're right. When you say look around, just simply look around, and you'll see evidence of it. And when you talk about, you know, being in a prison and the darkness, and even I would imagine the sounds that are being spoken are harsher sounds.
Dana Frost 21:35
As opposed to if we go like I do a walk in a park near my house that has a water element, even though it's there are rocks involved. It's not like a natural, it's water is natural. The rocks are natural, but it's not a not you know, it's energized by you know, it has it's not natural. It's not letting a natural, flowing river, but it still is soothing. Those sounds are soothing, you know that if you hear the wind rustling in the trees that soothing, you know, the sound of the waves crashing up on the water, those are all sound beats from nature. So if we think about that we, we then can understand, yeah, those are things that because we are nature, our body recognizes them. So speak a little bit more about using the music from a soundtrack. So if you will,
Wayne Altman 22:30
right. So every single person listening to this is going to relate to what I'm going to say, because music is all around us. We use it for a bunch of different purposes. And what we're talking about is one use of it. But the movie industry has been using music from even silent movies, silent movies, were not silent ever. There were no silent movies. It was someone in the front of the theater banging away on a piano, and they told you how to feel about the images that you're watching.
Wayne Altman 22:58
One of the scariest movies ever made was the birds, Alfred Hitchcock the birds, okay, it's been voted on practically every single list. That movie had no soundtrack. It's one of 17 movies who have no soundtrack. Now, the reason he did that was to make you give you no comfort from the music. He's like, No, we're going a different direction that I'm giving you no comfort while you're watching this movie. And that's really what we're talking about. You from the time you were a small child, a baby, but we played lullabies for babies to sue them.
Wayne Altman 23:34
When you're getting in your car and you're about to take a long trip and a song that you're familiar with comes on some something brings back a memory to you. What do you say, Oh man, that's my jam. You know, you get excited you get pumped up. Or a ballad a song that made you sad it manipulated your emotions. You had a we're having a great day and you heard a song that made you remember something that happened? That was sad. I will also say that I have never once seen anyone crying when a banjo was playing. There is something about a banjo that immediately makes everybody smile. You can despise country music. That's fine. But when someone is playing a banjo, at least around me, I have never witnessed someone crying while listening to banjo music play.
Wayne Altman 24:26
Why there is a reason for that. It excites certain areas of your brain and it blocks it physically blocks despair, and depression. And there is now it's only while the music is playing. So you can either take a pill and make things better, right momentarily because that medicine will wear off as well. Or you can turn on the radio and listen to certain frequencies that will do basically the same thing now Not saying that there's no place for pharmaceuticals 100% there is these are chemicals, you have a chemical imbalance, no amount of music is going to break through that most likely.
Wayne Altman 25:10
But for the vast majority of us, just listening to those frequencies and just listening to that music is going to be what lifts us into all of these different, you know, emotions, whether they be spiritual, whether it be enlightenment, whether it be sleep. So it plays a massive role in our life, to it to give me another example of this, when you go to the mall, there's always a soundtrack or the grocery store, there is always a soundtrack. Because people find it very difficult to leave or turn things off in the middle of a song. Whatever's going on on the screen, not withstanding doesn't matter. That music is really what short circuits your brain a little bit and makes you linger a little bit longer. And that is a fascinating field of study.
Dana Frost 26:08
Yeah, yeah, that is that is really interesting. And I guess I wanted to circle back to the pharmaceutical thing, because I actually do believe and since this is my podcast, I can say this, but I do believe that these other modalities are stronger than pharmaceuticals. Why? Because our bodies we are in we are nature. We are organic, if you will, and our body readily recognizes every vibration symbol, organic compound, like recognizes, like, and so when we're introducing pharmaceuticals, that's not a part yes, you know, it makes changes in the bodies, but it also adds all these complications to the body because it's introducing something that is not similar. It's dissimilar to the human body structure.
Dana Frost 27:08
I just wanted to say that because people who listen to me know my suspicion of the pharmaceutical industry and what it's done in terms of usurping the human's capacity to heal itself. So anyway, so that's that. But one question, I want to ask you, because we're nearing the end. But are there any side effects? So when we talk about pharmaceuticals, we know there are many side effects? What are the side?
Wayne Altman 27:32
There's a whole list of side effects when you're taking medication? Yeah. To to this print is so small, because they would have a massive piece of paper that lists all the side effects. Well, you ask, are there side effects to listening to binaural beats in the music? And the answer to that is yes, of course, there's side effects to everything that you do eat too much the side effects as you gain some weight, right?
Wayne Altman 27:56
Exercise, your muscles will get bigger. Okay, listening to music, and listening to binaural beats help you solve a lot of problems. And so those are the effects and the side effects. I've never heard it. With the exception of maybe my daughter is pretty addicted to music, okay. She is always listening to music. Now. Side effects are, it's a different thing. And I will caution anybody that is exploring music of any kind, that they need to be very cognizant of their, the volume at which they're listening to that music. So you'll guard you're
hearing very jealously.
Wayne Altman 28:39
I have about 70% hearing loss and then add on top of that, you have tinnitus. And man that is a very deadly to relationships anyway, combination. My wife is extremely patient with me, because I truly don't hear half of the things that she says to me. Okay, which, and then on top of that, I'm a man and we don't listen very well anyway.
Wayne Altman 29:02
So you know, there you go. But as far as side effects go, you know, if you're looking for dry skin, or you know, all the things that are listed in those pamphlets from the pharmaceutical industry, we'll keep looking but those things don't manifest itself. Really what we're talking about is elevated mood. You may be more excited if you're listening to something heavy metal. I'll give you an example of this.
Wayne Altman 29:28
Okay, so when you go to the gym, you could take the earbuds out of everybody at that gym and find out from that one thing who's there to, you know, date and who's there to get their workout on? And it's all in what kind of music are you listening to? Anyone listening to uplifting, heavy metal, you know, like, they're really there to exercise the workout. everybody that's listening to the Barry Manilow or you know, they're there to relax and just unwind. They're not there to actually li get in a workout, no one works out to air supply. Okay, that does not happen.
Dana Frost 30:06
Yeah. So what I hear you saying, which I think is important, we have choice, there's always a point of choice. And so we can take that point of choice and select music, we could get super specific and select binaural beats or solfeggio beats. To enhance our mood, we can select a song that we know is going to enhance our mood. But we are always at a point of choice. And one thing that we can turn to, to help us with triggers to help us with depleting emotions, we can turn to sound to help us to support us
Wayne Altman 30:48
to think one second, I'll say it more clearly. Music binaural beats solfeggio frequencies, these are tools, I want people to think of MelodyClouds as a toolbox. So you if you want to sleep, you got to take the screwdriver out of melody clouds, that's going to help you get to sleep. If you want to get a better workout or be more focused at work, we've got tools for that for you, you, I want you to go immediately to that part of the tool chest and utilize that. Because the hammer is not going to screw in the screw. So looking at this music in a way of hey, this I, I want this outcome, what do I listen to to force that outcome? That's the way to look at it.
Dana Frost 31:36
Yeah, I really liked that way. And thank you so much for specifying. So where can people find melody cloud.
Wayne Altman 31:45
So we have a website, Melody clouds.com, that's clouds with a s, there is an iOS app on the Apple Store, and an Android app on the Google Play Store. The apps are free for people, our subscription is $2.99 for the first 60 days, so two months, for $2.99 a month. And then if you enjoy it, and if you find use from it, it's $5.99 per month, which is about a sixth of any of our competitors, I found a way to do this very well, pretty cheaply. And I'm not trying to, you know, break my arm patting myself on the back.
Wayne Altman 32:30
But I'm not a greedy person, to the point that the largest button on melody clouds is the unsubscribe button. It's red, it's right in your face. Very easy for you to find it. Okay. And I don't allow anyone to collect your information while you're on my app. And if Apple is listening, I got your message. And I'm still not doing it.
Dana Frost 32:57
Yeah. Well, I like that. Thank you for being a guard for information and privacy. I'm sure people will appreciate that. So we will make sure that we include the link to melody cloud and the show notes. And I'm going to definitely check it out. I'm going to subscribe for two months and just play around with it. I love reaching for a tool like this. It is effortless. And I don't know for me, it really works. I know that it works for my clients. So I'm really excited to introduce this to everybody. Oh, I do have to ask you the end of the episode. Question, Wayne before we leave. Oh
Wayne Altman 33:36
good. I love these. Yes.
Dana Frost 33:38
What does feeling younger, while growing older mean to you?
Wayne Altman 33:42
Oh, man, I wish I could feel younger. Because I definitely am getting older. I was looking at some pictures of me the other day with my daughter, my youngest daughter, because she has a hard time picturing me at her age that I mean, anyone looking at me would have a hard time picturing me at that age. And you can see that she was deep and thought like man, you know, I mean is not been kind to you.
Wayne Altman 34:07
So look, I think being interested in certain things and never satisfied are never stopping being curious about things. That is number one for me. I am always looking for answers to questions that people pose to me. That's part of the reason why we're all here right now. And I try very hard to maintain relationships with people that have a positive effect on both of us. I try to remove any kind of toxic relationships out of my life as quickly as I possibly can.
Dana Frost 34:40
Well, that's a wonderful answer. Because you know, one of the commonalities of people who live in the blue zones, which is where, you know, longevity is the greatest or the blue zones in the world community. Yeah, community is one of the commonalities. So I really love your answer. And Thank you Wayne, thank you so much for sharing your insights. With the Vitally You community,
Wayne Altman 35:01
Thank you very much. It was a lot of fun talking to you.
Dana Frost 35:05
Thank you for joining me on the Vitally You podcast. This week I want to give a shout out to AI doc carry for this review entitled for the love of longevity. Five stars. Love this podcast. It awakens the inner self with genuine truths around health, wellness, love and longevity. Well thank you so much Carrie. I was so excited to read this review. Thank you, you know everybody, it makes my heart sing when I read your reviews. So please thank you. If you are enjoying these episodes, hit subscribe rate, review, download, you know all the things that you can do.
Dana Frost 35:43
And I want you to stay tuned for next week's episode. I have veterinarian neurologist, Dr. Susan Wagner and she is going to share about her fascinating work using energy medicine to heal animals and their owners. As always, I am streaming love from my heart to yours.
Dana Frost 35:43
And I want you to stay tuned for next week's episode. I have veterinarian neurologist, Dr. Susan Wagner and she is going to share about her fascinating work using energy medicine to heal animals and their owners. As always, I am streaming love from my heart to yours.