I’m joined by Rachel White, aka The Skeptical Shaman, to dive into the world of floral essences and talk about how they can help you feel younger while growing older.
Rachel White, aka The Skeptical Shaman, blends real-world pragmatism, her sense of humor, and ancient tools and techniques into her practice as a trained shaman, medium, energy practitioner, self-published author, and flower essence maker. In today’s episode, we dive into the world of floral essences and Rachel shares some of the behind-the-scenes of her business.
Like so many of us who lived in cities during the pandemic, Rachel was itching to get out into nature, but she was limited to her balcony and the rooftop of the building she lived in. She decided to get creative by planting a small herb garden and accidently discovered the world of floral essences. Rachel talks about the serendipity that comes when you explore new things from a place of joy and breaks down her intuitive approach to picking out seeds and cultivating flowers.
Rachel and I discuss the benefits of floral essences and the metaphysical energy inside each bottle that she packages by hand. She also shares her top recommendations for people who want to expand their vitality and explains how flowers like Milkweed, Passionflower, and Evening Primrose have supported her in the aging process. Listen in to more about flower essences and how they can help you feel younger while growing older.
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[00:00:00] Dana Frost: Welcome to Vitally You, a podcast created to introduce you to the tools that will be your roadmap for feeling younger while growing older. I'm your host, Dana Frost, a wellness expert, life coach and energy medicine practitioner. Here's what you can expect: conversations about vitality from the inside out with guests experts in the field of health, culture, and spirituality.
And solo episodes along the way from me, where I do deep dives into the topics of aging, heart intelligence, energy medicine, and your innate capacity to heal. If you want to feel younger while growing older, this is the place for you.
Welcome to this week's episode of the vitally you podcast. This is Dana and I'm coming to you this week from Chicago. I am joined this week by Rachel White. Rachel is known as the skeptical shaman. She is here for the spiritually homeless. She blends real world pragmatism her sense of humor and ancient tools and techniques into her practice.
As a trained shaman, medium energy practitioner, self-published author and flower essence maker. As one client wrote in a Yelp review. Rachel White is the Amy Schumer of shamonic practitioner. she is equal parts blunt as she is spiritually unique, breaking every preconceived notion of the traditional image of what it means to live a spiritual life.
She is simply put for the spiritually curious, but non-committal who are looking for a more profound sense of meaning. I met Rachel through a client, Rachel used to live in Chicago, and it's really been delightful to get to know her over the past. I guess it's been a couple of. she's with us today to talk about her floral essences, grown, cultivated, harvested, and distilled with her own hands, fueled by love and the power of intention.
You know, how much I love essential oils, you know how much I love handcrafted. Small batch. This is Rachel with her floral lessons. When she began to talk to me before this episode about her florals, I was absolutely hooked. I started experimenting with a few she's here today to talk about the process of how she grows them, the healing qualities of some of the plant essences.
And I have to tell you Rachel's response to my question at the end of the episode, what does feeling younger while growing older mean to you? It was by far. Favorite answer to this question. So be sure to stay tuned to the end of our conversation, Rachel, welcome to the vital U podcast. I'm really just so excited to have you as a guest, you have so much to share and I'm just really looking forward to our
[00:02:47] Rachel White: conversation.
Me too. Thanks for having me again again. It's great.
[00:02:51] Dana Frost: Yeah. Well, everybody, we are going to dive into the world of floral essences. And I had a session with Rachel recently to talk about floral lessons and to determine which ones I wanted to use after I did actually did experiment with what was the one that you sent me that I just loved.
It was grandmother in ancestry
[00:03:15] Rachel White: energy. Yeah, it's a joke on my grandmother. I call it dead grandma, which she would find very funny by the way. And it's it's Marigold. Yeah. And it's meant to sort of root you in that ancestry, sacral, chakra, kidneys. What we were talking about a little bit yesterday. Yeah.
It's one of my favorites. Yeah. Well,
[00:03:33] Dana Frost: everybody knows. I love healing from nature and that gentle cradle of support that we receive when we. Connect ourselves to the healing powers of nature. And so I think everybody's gonna really enjoy learning about your floral lessons and what I really appreciate, I deeply appreciate Rachel, is that you are actually growing the plants.
And I think that's really important for people to understand. At a cellular organic nature, your whole system is making contact with these floral essences and the energy behind that. I have goosebumps just thinking about it that it's this very high. Human to nature touch that creates the essences that you're bringing into the world.
So tell us a little bit, how did you get to this place in your life? I know you came out of corporate. Yes. But how did you get to where you are, where you're actually in the dirt growing floral lessons, essences. I know you're a shaman. So give us a little insight into your history.
[00:04:39] Rachel White: Sure. Yeah. I've been actively doing shamanism with clients mainly in Chicago, as, as you know, I just moved to Austin, Texas for about a decade.
And for much of that time, I was doing it off the side of my desk, working in corporate outsourcing. I was an innovation director for a global company. So it was nothing but scale. Nothing, but abstractions, nothing human. So your, your point about the human nature scale. None of that was present in my life for a very long time.
And then COVID hit in Chicago and people who don't live in a city like LA, Chicago, New York. Don't understand. Cuz here, when we moved to Texas, they're like, what do you mean you were locked down like, oh no, no. Yeah. That was like, there was legit quarantine. You couldn't go anywhere. So you're in the middle of the west loop in my case.
And I remember thinking I want an excuse. To go outside and connect with nature, the conservatories like Garfield park and all that, you had to make an appointment. And that was even when it opened. So nothing nature wise was accessible to me. So we had a balcony, we had a roof deck where we lived in the west loop, but I also had a meditation center in Oak park that had, if you jumped from a, uh, fire escapee, you had a, another roof.
And I. That's gonna be a garden. So with the help of my husband, we just got planners, went out and just started planning things. And I did not intend to make flower essences. It was just about being close to nature and growing things. I need to do something or I'm gonna lose my mind. And as I was doing it, I noticed.
This energy with the plants, like they all had a different personality. And I got really curious because of mint. So we had all these mint plants and they flowered, and this sounds like I'm such a rub and I am, but I was like, I didn't know, mint plants, flowered, mint, flowers. And they were covered in bees on my balcony and like left us alone.
Never felt scared, but just busy, busy. And so I Googled like, is there a metaphysical. Energy to mint. And it was like, yeah, it generates activity and cash flow and money. And so I was like, I'm gonna make flower essences. Like these things are magical. And my husband's a chef. So, you know, we like little projects that involve jars and measuring devices and all that stuff.
Right. It's very chef oriented and then accidentally discovered that they work. They're really powerful. . And so when we moved to Texas, we went from about six essence to. So I'm not good with proportion, we're pushing it, but all these different things we can grow and just really trying to get them in the hands of people because they work.
And, and I say that as someone who went in skeptical and was surprised.
[00:07:07] Dana Frost: Yeah, that is amazing. I'm so glad I asked you that because I did not know that's how you got into
[00:07:13] Rachel White: it. Such an accident. You'll find if you follow joy, it sounds silly, but it, there really is truth to it. You find the things that end up being crucial for you personally, but for your business, I never thought about making money that way, either with something that I was just enjoying and friends were like, well, can I have one?
And then they would email me about how they worked. I'm like, oh, this is like a thing I should do this. Yes.
[00:07:38] Dana Frost: That's such a beautiful story and follow your joy. It's actually, no it's called the joy diet. Dr. Martha Beck is the person who trained me in life coaching. She published a very small book years ago called the joy diet.
And it is all about following your joy and, and that you are absolutely right. Energetically when we're following our joy, everything just opens up.
[00:08:01] Rachel White: Yes, you get into a state that the Chinese call. Woo. Which means the invisible rivers, you know, the current that carries you and everybody focuses a lot on grinding and what I should do and spread sheeting things out, you know, the flower essences and a G chart.
And what you're missing is the serendipity that comes when you just sort of do things. And so what's funny is, you know, I'll make more progress than maybe other people that are more organized or planning more methodically, just because I'm joyful and I'm doing it. It sort of works itself out. Mm-hmm .
[00:08:32] Dana Frost: I really love that.
That's how I feel about this podcast actually. Yeah. I have a meditation before each episode. I set the intention, but I don't do a lot of preparation. If I'm on someone's podcast, I actually will listen to several of their podcasts. So I know them. I know their listeners, but. I go into it just with openness, no constriction.
I go into it with joy and it's yeah. I,
[00:08:59] Rachel White: I think that's just, and it works out great. Your podcast is great. And it's funny. I am sort of allergic to anything. Maybe it's because I was in corporate so long and a lot of what I did was write scripts for CEOs. A couple weeks ago, I was ghost writing as a CEO from the world economic forum.
And you see how wrote. Everything is, you know, and how flattened and, and bureaucratic. And so anytime I hear someone who's rehearsed at all, I just want to turn it off, cuz I'm so saturated with that. Mm-hmm the spontaneity of a real conversation is exciting. Mm-hmm you dunno, what's around the next corner.
So you wanna like, listen, it it's organic and it's unfolding. I love, I love that about your podcast. It's actually what I love about jar Rogan's podcast too, is you? Yes. Literally have no idea where it's. You can be surprised in a million directions. Yeah. That's so
[00:09:46] Dana Frost: true. We're on the same track on that one, Rachel.
Okay, so let's, let's talk about your florals.
[00:09:51] Rachel White: Yeah, my little friends. So we did the first round in Chicago and what I did was I asked certain friends, including our mutual friend, Jen, right. Mm-hmm if they could beta test them. And so this is one of those funny tricks that I actually took from corporate is you learn working with tech companies.
They're all about failing small failing early and failing often. Via beta tests and something that they call agile work streams. We don't need to get into that. It's really boring and Harvard business review, but in other words, like send them to people, ask them what they think and, and just say, Hey, if I give this to you, I really would like honest feedback, like do not compliment me.
Like this is we're testing a product. Right. And everybody used it. I was getting all these emails, um, in particular, the rose one, which I named after an MMA fighter, her name's thug, rose was people were having emotional release. Like intense shedding experiences. And I went, okay, this might be a little more than what I was thinking.
So I tr started trying them months after everybody else. So classic for me, I was like, oh, why haven't I tried them? I'm always the last to know. And every time I start taking this, this bad boy freshly minted, which I have to put away from the others,
[00:11:01] Dana Frost: hold that right there. I'm gonna take
[00:11:02] Rachel White: a screenshot. Oh, okay.
There's my little friend. This is the money one. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Every second day I'm taking that. I get barrage with corporate clients who wanna hire me for consulting or freelance writing. And usually I get other opportunities with totem and things like that. And so I had to put it away cuz I kept mindlessly putting it in my evening, TA my 90 night T my 19 it, and then I would get inundated and I'm like, I don't have capacity.
And so what I like too about the way the essences work is this is very classic. Shamanism, very classic. Like what I would call light witchcraft white magic, where it's not just giving me money. It's giving me opportunities to make money. There's always still that imbalance natural energy exchange. Right.
And then this one, which is for time, it's time is on my side, made it out of time, flowers, time flowers too guys. Trust me. I was the last to know on that as well. I'm like you have little flowers. Um, when you want more time, more time havingness or abundance. You're not gonna be as busy with work. And so everything slows down.
So they're in simpatico with the natural world. You're not getting something without earning it without an exchange, even though they're sort of witchcrafty. It's not, it's not instant gratification without some other side effect, frankly. And it's why we do the consultations, cuz I wanna make sure if someone's taking.
They're ready for the shift. That's gonna happen and it's in the right direction.
[00:12:29] Dana Frost: Yeah. And that brings to mind for me, this idea of we really, those of us in this work, we're moving away from quick fixes and we're moving into feminine energy of collaboration. Mm-hmm and yes, nature is one of the purest forms of healing.
It offers that cradle of support, but it actually requires our interaction and our engagement. We have to say, yes, we have to sink our energy and participate.
[00:13:01] Rachel White: And, you know, for instance, thug grows the emotional hard shock or healing resilience, um, flower, essence, everybody who takes it has a release now to a lay person.
You're seeing someone crying and you go wait, that's not helping their emotional. They're in pain. They're in grief, they're crying. And it's like, no, but that's the path to. you have to release that you have to walk into the grief, you have to acknowledge it. So they work in a very healthy, I would say constructive way versus a, I take a pill and I feel better way, which is really what we see in the Western world.
[00:13:36] Dana Frost: Yeah. That's a masking of the symptoms. It's not a healing of the symptoms.
[00:13:40] Rachel White: You're not treating anything. And I was so blown away and I'm not approved about substances. I do plant medicine. I microdose SIL when, when I feel like I need. But in Chicago where I lived, even in my building, I'd go up to the roof deck and everybody's on Xanax drinking wine.
And I'm thinking like, first of all, you're gonna go, you can't withdraw from that on your. you can, you have to go to a formal detox place that knows how to handle benzos in the casual nature with which these get handed out like candy was surprising and upsetting to me. And so I'm trying to, if you will take up market share from that, with things that are not addictive, that are not harmful, that make you, as you put it, do a little bit of the, the work too.
Um, and that way you're not hitting snooze on the inevitable bill that always comes due with that stuff. Pay today or pay a couple years for now. I'd rather pay today. I'd rather do it. Walk through it. Yeah. Mm-hmm
[00:14:34] Dana Frost: that's beautiful. Yeah. That's really beautiful. Rachel. Very well. Very well
[00:14:39] Rachel White: described. Yeah.
And if your life is so, and I I've been there too, I mean, for years I took Ambien. I was overworked. I was jet lagged and I had a couple of TIAs. I, I mentioned that yesterday and it's like, the answer is not taking something that's gonna sedate you. If your life is that chaotic and stressful, you need to fix.
Your life is like, what's the parts of the machine that aren't working for me that I am working for. And it's not giving back and evaluate that. I don't think a lot of people wanna do that. They just kind of wanna power through and that gets rewarded in corporate to the end. Like so and so worked 90 hours last week, you know, and you're cheering and I'm thinking, why are we celebrating someone who doesn't delegate?
Who doesn't know how to be efficient, maybe like to me it's not worth celebrating. Mm-hmm
[00:15:28] Dana Frost: I think one of the gifts of the pandemic, Rachel, is that that is shifting it is, um, it seems to be shifting. I think that we had a wake up call that maybe that hamster wheel wasn't working.
[00:15:42] Rachel White: it certainly doesn't work for us.
And when you look at, at publicly traded companies in particular, all they really care about are their quarterly earnings and their shareholders' sentiments. So whether or not they're creating any real value in the marketplace is beside the point. If they're valued a certain way in the stocks splitting and making money, they don't care about their communities.
And you know, the what blew my mind. I don't know why it took me so long, but I realized the root of the word corporation is. in Latin. Oh. And I had never connected that. I'm like, yeah, corporations are not living. They're animated corpses. And so they're not here to generate life. That's not their function.
[00:16:22] Dana Frost: Yeah. The only, yes, the thing that I am always confronted with when I hear, you know, the negative talk about corporations is that I have my husband as a model who has been in corporate America, his entire career and the community that he and publicly traded companies, the community that he creates in his company is the leadership, the development.
I am always impressed. When I go to the company holiday party, we haven't, they haven't had one in a couple of years, but people are. So connected in, in the company that he works with, they are so happy to be working. So there are, oh, there are exceptions. There are exceptions. And I think that one of the things my husband says, corporations are made up of people.
And so I think, yes, there are exceptions and I'm, I guess I'm just particularly happy to have that exception. So close to me where I see actually our daughters have gone into corporate America. And I think that it is because they have seen the model of their father who has had a very rich. Relationship rich career in corporate America
[00:17:31] Rachel White: and well, he's showing everybody how it, how it can be done.
Yes. And, and to that point, I think what's been happening is people just, it it's like anything else. You know, if you're doing coaching work, you're doing a spiritual session for someone. So many people have self-limiting beliefs. Like I've heard CEOs say, well, we're not in charge. It's the shareholder, you know, these things of like, I can't.
It's not possible and it's not true. Those are myths. And if anything, one of, one of my goals with what I do, and I also, by the way, I do advocate for the people in corporate. It's funny, I was talking to literary agents about a book concept around skeptical shamanism in, in the business world. And they go.
I said, no, no, no. My top clients, like the first people who went in and bought a bunch of the totem TEEX or whatever it is, they're, C-suite in corporations and they need this. Like we, we have to talk to them and we have to help them. Cuz you change them. Like your husband is such a beacon. It sounds like in that, that world, right.
He's shining a light, like a lighthouse. If we can light some other lighthouses up, we can shift. That negative trend, that self cannibalizing kind of commoditized race to the bottom trend. And, you know, you bring up such an awesome point, which is we can't just sit on the bench and bitch, this is my number one complaint about energy workers, my own people, right?
It's like, if you don't like it, get in. Put some skin in the game, get in it, get invested, cuz it's never gonna change just by you tweeting or whatever you like. That's not a real solution. Mm-hmm so I got into spiritual transformation coaching for the first time, this past year, because I was so allergic to the word coach.
I've seen so many coaches, especially by the way, the spiritual space that are just kind of bullshit artists or, you know what I mean? And I was like, I don't wanna be associated with it. I all these criticisms. And then I. I have to do something. If this is a B in my bonnet, like this, I'm gonna take market share.
I'm gonna show them like your husband, maybe the right way. I'm not perfect, but I'm Mo trying to move it in that direction, trying to activate other coaches, other practitioners who do it the right way and take market share.
[00:19:39] Dana Frost: Mm-hmm I love that back to market. Thinking about market share. Yeah, let's talk some more about the floral essence.
[00:19:46] Rachel White: Absolutely. So yeah, these bad boys, we're gonna be bottling them starting in the next few weeks, but because we do them a very old school way. So like you said, I plant organic seed. We grow them all from seed organic soil. We don't use any chemicals cuz it's a real concentrate. As you can see, you know, you don't wanna be drinking a bunch of Bly phosphate from Monsanto.
Every time you take healing energy medicine, that's a bit contradictory. So we put a bunch of praying, manta snakes out there. There are pest control. They all hatched. We've got mantis all over the garden, doing, doing the good work, lizards, toads, birds, whole ecosystem, a couple snakes, not poisonous little garden snakes.
And so now we're at the phase where we take them out of the jars, which it's the plant product with sort of a version of Everclear. And what that does is it pulls all the terpenes, all the antioxidants, all the medicine out of the plant. We strain it, mix it with filtered water quite a bit, by the way. So it's very, very, very low alcohol, incredibly low.
It's just enough to make sure it doesn't rot the organic matter. And I work with clients and consultations to figure out what are the right ones for them. We add more or less as needed. I'm a big fan of like, if it's not broken, don't fix it. That was another thing I learned in corporate, adding more people to a project.
Almost never fixes it by the way. And if something's working kind of leave it, leave it be there's something good going on there. And yeah. And my favorite part of my week, this is a bit embarrassing, but it's true is packaging them to ship them. So I have a friend who's like, I'm gonna get you set up on eCommerce.
We're gonna outsource this. Someone's gonna wrap 'em and send 'em for you. I go, don't take my favorite part of my week for me. Cause when you're so busy and you're in that corporate landscape, you don't ever get that tactical experience of wrapping something. Mm-hmm , you know, putting a little sticker on it, little tissue paper, putting the address and like.
Calling ups or requesting, they show up and like handing these off to that person. That's gonna go to other people. Mm-hmm, , it's the best feeling to slow down and just be present with that. And also knowing like, there, there are babies, like every we've been gestating these and, and I think touching it that way as a shaman with that kind of intentional.
Purpose. I think it shifts the energy of the product too. Have you ever seen pictures of water? That's been Reiki. Mm-hmm mm-hmm but yeah, I think we add a little something to everything. That's tangible material that we send to someone
[00:22:06] Dana Frost: else. Mm-hmm I echo that sentiment. I definitely had that high touch with all of my oils and my blends.
Yeah. The essential oil
[00:22:14] Rachel White: blends, which I'm gonna get on by the way. I love aromatherapy and I'm not good at. So I'm gonna ping you for that. I love that
[00:22:20] Dana Frost: stuff. Yeah. So tell I'm curious, Rachel, what part of the plant do, are you distilling? Is it the floral part? Yeah, I, I, I don't know. I'm really curious. So this is
[00:22:31] Rachel White: Valer.
And Valer doesn't flower in a traditional way. So these are the leaves in the stems. Now I can do this because nothing is poisonous or like high allergen about Valer and that's what they use. I drink Valer tea, it's the leaves and things like that. But this is the passion flour, and we just do the flowers and these are big, beautiful, crazy looking flowers.
Passion flour too, though. We have a bunch of passion fruit growing outside as well. And I am thinking of making a tincture with that as well. You know what bartenders I think would call shrub, um, where it's the right fruit. And the main goal is just to get the medicine out of the plant. And so with the case of hemp, the terpenes and all the good stuff for just as much in the leaves as they are the bud.
So we use both rows. It's only. The pedals. So it kind of, there's a good deal of variety. And what's really interesting is when I bought all these seeds, I did it over. I took a bit of a break in the winter. This is my version of a break, is buying a bunch of seeds. And I did it totally intuitively like I saw plant.
I was like, I wanna grow that. and then later researched, well, what are some of the metaphysical properties of flower, essence? What are some of the health benefits in my intuition of what the plant did was exactly what it does. And I am convinced, like I'm not a, I don't have any superpowers. I'm convinced as humans, we have genetic memory.
Of all of this. And so what I would say to everybody is if you're interested in any of this, you know, you go to whole foods, they have Bach flower essences. Those are great, by the way, it's a German dude who did that, but do it intuitively be like, I don't know why I want this and then look it up and it will shock you.
It will shock you how that fits into what you wanna be managing for yourself in your life. Mm-hmm for me, I'm really looking forward to the ones that help Soo. The nervous system. I have a, you know, I had a couple of TIAs. I've got PTSD. So things like Valer lavender, Cama. Myer lemon, the terpenes reduce inflammation.
It helps you chill out. It supports you in this deep tranquility in your bones, which mm-hmm . I don't feel that often. You know, and the other thing is, I think D you probably come across as if you're a health coach or you're, you're a functional medicine expert or you're shaman. People think you're in perfect health and everything's fine.
it's like, no, we got into this cuz we're wounded healers. Like we had to heal ourselves and therefore we learned things. It's a constant journey.
[00:24:53] Dana Frost: I couldn't make my monthly office hours calls with the nutrition group and our teacher, Andrea Nakiyama. But I was listening to the recording yesterday and it's the whole conversation was around.
Practitioners saying I'm having a health crisis. This, my autoimmune is flaring and I, how can I be helping others when this is happening to me? And yeah. And Andrea said precisely because it's happening
[00:25:18] Rachel White: to you. Yeah. Yeah. I have a coaching client who she's a nutritionist she's incredibly, incredibly gifted and trained and very knowledgeable in everything she does.
She's also stunningly beautiful. She's a model actress, you know, just bone structure from heaven and you'd think this person has it all together. Right. And we got we're we're at nearing the end of the coaching program and she's launching her business and she was like, I've had this digestive issue for weeks.
and how am I supposed to help people if she was really upset about it, how am I supposed to help people? When I can't help myself, like really feeling a genuine imposter syndrome moment. And I was like, oh no, this is what it is all the time. All the time. I'll have a Saturday with terror readings with clients, and there's a theme to that day.
And that theme resonates with me too. That's something I need to look at too. Every time. It never. The, the work and the personal development. I think the key is not being neurotic about it. Mm-hmm , you know, so many life coaches and stuff out there, they really poke at people's shortcomings. Mm-hmm instead of going like, like radical acceptance, like yeah.
We'll try and grow that direction, but let's look at what you're really good at. What do you enjoy? And let's do more of that. Mm-hmm
[00:26:26] Dana Frost: yeah. Yeah. I love that. So Rachel, can you, as we're nearing the end, and this is the vitally you podcast, feeling younger, growing older, are there some floral essence that you can recommend for people who really want to expand their
[00:26:41] Rachel White: vitality?
Yes. Anything that the pollinators love that are really busy with pollinators, I've learned those are the ones that energize and give you a little injection of vitality. So one that may not seem obvious is milkweed. It grows in ditches on the sides of highways and all that. Milkweed has tons of medicine in it, these tiny little white flowers.
So that's a really good one. We call that the wake up essence because it's. Waking you up. Number one, higher energy level, physically physiologically, but also spiritually. I wanna wake up, I'm getting a call. I wanna heat it. I wanna listen to it. Another one is the passion flower, which I'm calling plume SPET as a plan Kini.
So Kini energy, your core Chi, and proma getting that rocking and rolling and passion, flour reduces all kinds of bad things in your nervous system. Hormonally. It's really good. It actually helps you sleep, not like as a sedative, but it just puts you in a different vibrational state where you're sleeping when you're supposed, you're supposed to be, and you're awake when you're supposed to be.
Right. And then the other one specifically for women is the maiden mother Chrome essence it's made with evening prim. And that that naming is a play on a goddess. HETA, who's the goddess of transitions. So like birth childbirth, you know, menopause, death, all those crossroads that we experience, she governs them.
And specifically physically, you know, primroses reduces, um, high estrogen levels. So I'm taking it. I have outrageous amounts of estrogen from taking birth control for so many years. And it helps you with night sweats. I'm a hot sleep. You know, I like to sleep. My husband jokes. It's a Masum in here like a winter Masum it's so cold.
So all of these little medicines can really help tweak things. And I know when I, I don't sleep as hot and my hormones are better regulated. I feel like I'm 20 years old. Again, very quickly. I've learned hormones are a big thing for me. And when I kinda unlock that a little bit, it just, the sky's the.
[00:28:38] Dana Frost: wow.
Those are great suggestions. I can't wait to get my essences in the coming weeks. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah. Well, Rachel, do you have any closing thoughts for. Our listeners, as we wrap this conversation up,
[00:28:53] Rachel White: I would just say, if you get a hit that you should be taking something or you're drawn to a certain flower, sometimes our subconscious mind speaks to us in fairly literal symbols.
Like sometimes take it literally. Right. So when I'm drawn to a plan or I want more of it around me, I'll Google. What is, what does that flower essence do? Because maybe my brain's telling me my energy body wants me to start taking it. And I would also just say, if anybody's interested in these, I do them via a, a short consultation, which you went through.
It's not painful. I promise guys, but I don't wanna send you for instance, if you're super busy and you're making tons of money, you don't need freshly minute. It's just gonna add to the chaos. So we just try and. And navigate the little levers on that, the energy body. So we're, we're doing things responsibly.
Mm-hmm
[00:29:39] Dana Frost: that's great. Well, um, I will make sure in the show notes, we have all of your contact information for the community to contact you and get connected over these essences. And what does feeling younger while growing older mean to you?
[00:29:54] Rachel White: It, it feels really rebellious it kind of feels like a middle finger to the nonsense around women, what we're supposed to be at various stage gates.
And it just it's. So in a way, for me, it, it it's titillating. Cause it feels a little mischievous. Like I'm not doing what you think I should be, and it's a nice little.
[00:30:16] Dana Frost: That might be my favorite response to that question ever. I love it. Thank you so much. That was great. Yeah. Thank
[00:30:24] Rachel White: you. I, I mean it too. I think if we can, we can show people what's possible.
Life gets very interesting on planet earth. Mm-hmm yeah. Well,
[00:30:32] Dana Frost: thank you so much for being a guest this week, Rachel. Thank
[00:30:35] Rachel White: you.
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