Jenn Dieas is a business owner and coach who is currently traveling and working on the road in her camper van. We discuss what it’s like to drop the weight of your past in order to feel empowered and move forward, what she’s learned from becoming a digital nomad, and what she has planned for the future. Listen in to hear more of our conversation about taking a courageous leap and embracing transition.
I’ve had the privilege of knowing today’s guest for about 10 years and have witnessed her take on life’s challenges in an inspiring way. Jenn Dieas is the owner of Glowout, a destination for sunless tanning and beauty co-working with locations in six states. She also coaches entrepreneurs to build healthy minds, bodies, and businesses. Most recently, she's on the road traveling, coaching, and running her businesses from Rosie, her custom Dodge ProMaster van.
Jenn is a great example of someone who reframes life’s setbacks as an opportunity to reflect and change course. We discuss what it’s like to drop the weight of your past in order to feel empowered and move forward, which is one of the main principles of feeling younger while growing older. Jenn shares how she’s been able to declutter some of the old beliefs and stories that have held her back, and use her intuition to guide her to where she’s meant to be.
Being on the road has given her an opportunity to revisit her roots and become a curious observer of her own experience without any judgment. We talk about how she’s found a sense of community and support from other travelers, and what she’s most looking forward to in this next chapter of life. Listen in to hear more of our conversation about taking a courageous leap and embracing transition.
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[00:00:00] Dana Frost: Welcome to Vitally You, a podcast created to introduce you to the tools that will be your roadmap for feeling younger while growing older. I'm your host, Dana Frost, a wellness expert, life coach and energy medicine practitioner. Here's what you can expect: conversations about vitality from the inside out with guests experts in the field of health, culture, and spirituality.
And solo episodes along the way from me, where I do deep dives into the topics of aging, heart intelligence, energy medicine, and your innate capacity to heal. If you want to feel younger while growing older, this is the place for you.
Welcome to this week's episode of the vitally. You. I am so excited for my conversation today with Jen Diaz. Jen is an entrepreneur and owner of glow out salons with locations in Chicago, South Carolina, Indiana, and Florida, besides running her brick and mortar businesses. She coaches entrepreneurs to build healthy minds.
Bodies and businesses in her most recent endeavor she's on the road, traveling, coaching, and running her businesses from Rosie, a live in van, built out by her own hands in collaboration with friends and family. Her latest title is. The E Vange Celeste, trust me, you are going to want to follow her van adventures on Instagram.
So Jan, welcome to the show. I'm so excited to have you, you know, how much I absolutely adore you. We've been, we've known each other for many years now and we've worked together professionally and to the point where we become really soul sisters. I see it as a soul sister. It's just such a pleasure to have you as a guest.
[00:01:45] Jenn Dieas: Oh, my God. It's such an honor to be on so full circle.
[00:01:49] Dana Frost: It really is. Yeah. So today I wanted to invite Jen on because she has such an interesting journey. She has been an entrepreneur, almost her entire adult life. And over the past few years, since the pandemic she's really had the opportunity to. Pivot and really just examine where she was pre pandemic, how she felt during the pandemic and then consider where she wants to be and what she wants to do.
And so she made a lot of changes and I think it would be really interesting for all of us to hear her story because at different times in our life, we find ourselves in a transition, a life transition, and it's really hard to know. Which way to go, when do we actually take the courageous leap? And when do we stay still in sight and patients and yeah.
So Jen, I'm just really excited to talk to you about this today.
[00:02:51] Jenn Dieas: Oh, I love that. Thank you. I mean, for me and so interesting that you bring up sitting still in patients, I feel like I almost went through that process forcefully through the pandemic through lockdowns. You know, just being stuck in our homes.
And I had three months to really like, take everything out of its bags and examine it every piece of my life. And I really decided that there was a lot that could go and I was feeling pulled in another direction. So I just chose to follow that and really let it guide me no matter how weird it, it might have seemed no matter how not on the path it might have seen for what I was doing.
It was all interconnected and it did lead me to, I think we're, I've always been headed. That's wonderful.
[00:03:40] Dana Frost: Can you preface our listeners so they can know just a little bit about your story? So. You have been an entrepreneur since I've known you. And I will tell the listeners my first encounter with you, which made such an impression on me.
We were at a, a female entrepreneur event and we each stood up to introduce ourselves and I was one of the speakers. And you, you stood up and talked about. Your tanning salon and how you, you talked about physically building it out. And I just remember thinking, like I saw a light in your eyes, number one, I saw a light and I heard something in your voice that resonated with me.
And then I think. Oh, wow. She physically built her salon. Like to me, it just was truly out of my wheelhouse and, and I just, at that moment realized this is a woman who has tremendous courage and really nothing is off the table for what she's willing to do to build her own life. And this is where I see you where I've observed you over the past two years.
[00:04:49] Jenn Dieas: Thank you for that. I will say the process of going from building out salons to now building out this van, that just seems to make so much sense. And it really was like the meditative process that I needed to channel all the energy and all the anxiety and the uncertainty that I was facing from my physical storefront business in downtown Chicago, where I just didn't have a lot of.
Control over what was happening. Right. And as you trend from year to year and you follow the data and then all the data was gone. So I said, well, let's create new data let's
[00:05:28] Dana Frost: and this is one of the reasons I wanted to have you on, because it's a story of hope that we can always shift the narrative so that we are the beneficiaries of how we shifted.
We are not victims. If you will, to whatever the system or the external conditions actually do not create our potential.
[00:05:52] Jenn Dieas: It's true. And in those pivots and those decisions might not be like the easiest route. You might not be choosing the path of least resistance, but I believe that I was choosing the more divinely guided path than just the path that I'd laid before myself, you know, owning my business.
And that did take courage and it did take faith in myself and thought I was going in the right direction.
[00:06:18] Dana Frost: Yeah. So, because our listeners don't know what you actually have built yourself. Can you just give us the background of what you built in Chicago with your salon?
[00:06:30] Jenn Dieas: Yeah. In Chicago, I've had my salon 13 years.
I started going door to door, so I would just pull my suitcases in my tanning bag and go home to home. I did that for years then I would, as I garnered enough clientele, I would rent space in different places, different nights of the week.
[00:06:49] Dana Frost: I don't want to leave out that you actually moved to Chicago after having visited Chicago, falling in love with the city.
You moved to Chicago on your own and you boom, hit the ground running.
[00:07:04] Jenn Dieas: And then I literally, I was a professional dancer. I tore my knee and it it's so funny piecing this together. It's so funny how these pivots happened because had I not toured my knee, I wouldn't have time to sit and recover, to think of my business idea for a clout and had the pandemic not happened.
I wouldn't have been able to sit in my house with time and before to sit there. This is kind of funny to be forced to sit there is transition into this more mobile lifestyle. Reach my next season. I feel like I'm in this transitional really awesome transitional period to the next season. And it seems like that happened.
Maybe the universe forces my hand. It seems like,
[00:07:45] Dana Frost: I don't know. Yeah. That's really interesting. And it's, you are in a cocooning period. I feel like the, and this is, you know, what happens when we're in transitions, we enter the cocoon and we think that the time in the cocoon is going to be much faster than it actually is.
And I've watched you over the past two years and, and I think that both of us actually collectively thought, oh, it's, you know, it's going to happen. Far more rapidly than what it actually did so far listeners, if you find yourself in a transition, give yourself the time and really understand that it takes time, you know, the, the growth it's like it's cell by cell.
If I just look at the physical body and how long a baby is in the womb, you know, it's something that really has to develop and almost cure rate itself into what is becoming.
[00:08:38] Jenn Dieas: And it was so funny, the mindset that I have when I left Chicago, I was still like, this needs to happen like this. You know, everything in my life had kind of, especially owning a business, had been kind of time blocked in chunks of time.
So you get this dedicated time and you get this dedicated time and you get this dedicated time and everything performs to get. And when I went to Florida to build up the van, I went back to have a lot of family and friends helped me build up the van and I was intuitive. We pulled that there was something there.
So when you bring up the timeline, it's a reminder to me that like it has happened not a day too soon and not a date earlier. Could it have happened to where I feel the way I feel now, like literally full of lessons full of this cup of information to share. Which is the whole purpose of the end to share everything that I've collected on my healing journey to help anyone that that might help in whatever way that might
[00:09:33] Dana Frost: help.
Yeah. So the van let's just preface the weight. Okay. I want to go back. I want to go back so that the listeners really understand the amazing business that you built in Chicago. And what happened during the pandemic to your business? Like where was your business at the point of the pandemic? What had you actually created.
[00:09:53] Jenn Dieas: My business was represented in five states. We have two large physical locations between Chicago and South Carolina, smaller ones in Indiana and open one in Florida. When I went down to build the. But it's so interesting. The day before the pandemic, we were in the best position we've ever been in, I'd never had to take on debt.
I didn't have any debt. So I was like debt-free, which as you know, from my background really feels amazing. And then the pandemic happened and it literally wiped away. All of that, we started back, we'd lost 75% of our revenues. I lost 90% of my employees that had been with me five, six years. So that's an investment as well.
And so we really had to start completely over. And then we had regulations for a year that just tightened any possibility where we could make money. And then everyone says, just pivot your business. Well, if you have a business that involves interacting with people in real life in person, that's not as easy as, as it may seem.
So that was kind of disheartening to keep hearing. Just pivot, just pivot, just pivot. We'll give you a PPP. Oh, my God, none of this makes any sense. You can't just pivot like that or else people would. And they would completely revolve their business all the time. It did give me an opportunity to look at everything that wasn't wasn't working.
So that in itself was a blessing, but just those financial security losses for me personally, were really devastating because I'm like, oh man, I've been here before. I know what happens now. Cause I was homeless as a teenager. And it, and it really felt like I got a chance to revisit all of those scenarios and all of those feelings, but the cool part was I could do it over differently in my own way with my own decision-making and power.
So I did kind of get to rewrite all of that story for myself, which was, think of all the deluxe.
[00:11:48] Dana Frost: Okay, this is where this really ties into the essence of this podcast. Vitally you feeling younger while growing older, because I really believe Jen now you're you're 41. You're 41 yet. You're 41. This podcast, isn't just for people who are 50 and older, it's for anyone, because we know that the body breaks down at all stages in life and mental health can be a challenge at all stages in life.
So wherever you find yourself, and if it's, you know, in a challenging time, The invitation is you can heal your life and you can feel younger while growing older. The invitation at some point in all of our lives is actually to go back and heal. Anything that's ever happened. That's the way that you drop the weight of your past and you're able to really move forward empowered.
And you've been, I've watched you, you've been doing this all along the way. This was just another iteration. And I want our listeners to know in some ways it's never over, like we never arrived. There's always a deeper level of understanding and growth. But what you just shared is just such a great example of.
Maybe these tie, not maybe the times of transition when we are cocooned, those are the opportunities to really go back and be introspective and be curious about, you know, how we've arrived, where we are and what are the things that we can actually look at in a new way and rewrite that story. In essence, really rewiring the brain.
This is what we're doing. We're rewiring the.
[00:13:27] Jenn Dieas: I can feel it. I mean, I can feel the effects of all of that. I felt like I was clearing things, just constantly clearing them. De-cluttering beliefs, old traumas, old emotional stories that could have been stuck wherever they were stuck. And I do feel lighter, lighter than before.
And you've seen me in the last 10 years. It's like you drop off one bag in one bag in one bag, you might pick up another and then you drop that one off. That's. The process that I've been going through and it does different, I feel different. You don't come out of it the same, which was the purpose of, of this moment for me.
[00:14:06] Dana Frost: Yeah. What would you say to our listeners? So if someone finds himself in this, in the cocoon, in a life transition, they're, you know, they're not satisfied with where they are now and they're not really sure when's the right time to leave. How should I move forward? Which direction should I go? What are some of the pearls that you've learned?
What are some like real, tangible things that our listeners could hold onto
[00:14:30] Jenn Dieas: that your, your intuition. Is really guiding you if you can learn to work with it. So I remember hearing, I started watching life videos during the pandemic. I mean, you could do, it was crazy. I was like, I have never had this much time in my life to sit here.
I don't even know what to do with myself. I've been working since I was like eight years old. So like very uncomfortable, very awkward. I would say lean into the discomfort of whatever you're feeling and really allow yourself to get to a place or create a place. Where you can actually listen and hear.
And that was the gift of locked out for me. It's like, I couldn't escape the voice inside. I couldn't escape what I was feeling. And even though it felt like a hard turn, I knew that it was the right one because I kept hearing, you need to do this. You need to do this. So, and I mean, I've already experienced exactly what I'd hoped that would happen is meeting like these beautiful people along the way, and being reminded that life is good.
It's always still good. There's always more to learn. There's always like a wider, a wider sense to crack open, and it's already proven that. And it's only, you know, a few months in.
[00:15:49] Dana Frost: Wow. That's really beautiful. There's so much that we can talk about, but let's because we keep mentioning the van, tell everybody about the van cause so exciting.
Oh my gosh.
[00:15:59] Jenn Dieas: So I have always dreamed of traveling my whole life. My grandparents, Dora and Luciano Menendez. They worked really hard their whole life. They had a little VW camper van, and so we would always during the summer travel and go camping together. And my grandma would walk and collect cans for five and 10 cents to pay for their vacations.
They go to national parks, campgrounds. It was very, um, I don't know what the word is. It was very like just simplified way to vacation. But it was beautiful. And during the pandemic, I'm like, I have nothing to lose. Who cares? I don't even know if we're ever going to open again. These people keep coming on the TV to tell me what's next.
And they're telling me nothing. I'm going to do what I want. Have a great day, everyone. So thank you so much for your press conferences. I'm doing what the hell I want. Yeah. So I was researching van life. I ended up getting a Dodge ProMaster. It's like a white work van shell of a van, and I'd seen enough videos and I'd done enough build outs throughout my career opening salons and then consulting and helping other people open their brick and mortar space.
And like, I can do this. It's fine. And it was just an interesting process because when I went to Florida, Florida was still very open. And, you know, a lot of the help that I thought I had, they were busy. And so I had to pivot and shift in that way and wait and delay and detour and pause. And you know, all of the supplies are, are double.
There would have been so many times where I could have backed out and been like, this wasn't meant to be, but I was like, no, we're going to see it through the matter what you're going to see it through. There's something here at the end for you. And. I'm glad I did. I have a deeper level of patients that I've ever had.
I have a deeper level of trust than I've ever had faith in myself. I'm ready to start building tiny homes. They're so cool. Super interested in that. Yeah. So the van journey has been fascinating and interesting and every time I go out, now you learn more about how to live more simply and also be more present to the world around you.
Did you kind of really have to be aware of your surroundings without being hyper aware and allowing that to make you hypervigilant, but be aware and then move with the flow of what's happening around you and adapt and be flexible. It's been very cool. Wow.
[00:18:21] Dana Frost: Yeah. And you know, as you were talking, it made me think that for all of us, everything that has ever happened in our life was never wasted.
It all adds up. For whatever moment we find ourselves in, it adds up to be the body of wisdom, insight, knowledge that we need for where we are today. Yeah.
[00:18:44] Jenn Dieas: I don't think had it happened a day sooner, and I know I talked to several times throughout and I was feeling that friction within myself of like, why isn't this happening faster?
And that was like my old self dying off slowly. And in getting to this point where I'm like, it couldn't have happened to date earlier. I needed every single lesson that I garnered along the way,
[00:19:07] Dana Frost: all those lessons. Yeah. And what I, what I witnessed in you, Jen was not freaking out when there was resistance.
So you, you said a dedication to staying the course, staying on the course, regardless of the resistance, because you had plenty of resistance. And I think that's a word that we can all hear just because things get tight and they feel uncomfortable. It doesn't mean that it's time to give up. I've had that situation in my own life, on several occasions, once in my marriage, where it got really, really hard and it would have been so easy just to walk over.
But I would not have learned the beauty of forgiveness, the beauty of real intimacy, where you lay naked before one another. And I've watched you embrace that just because there's resistance doesn't mean that it's over and I've watched you. The other thing I've seen is, you know, this idea of building the van out, going back to Florida, which is where you were born and raised.
Sometimes we have to revisit our roots. When we're in a life transition, it's an opportunity to revisit the roots. And it doesn't mean necessarily that we go back physically. Like you did it. It doesn't have to mean that, but the cocoon is that opportunity. What would you say about that, Jen? The opportunity to revisit your roots?
[00:20:30] Jenn Dieas: I would say I never realized how much I needed it. I would have not realized it. I don't think, you know, you get to this point and then you create a life outside of your family system on your own. And. You know, I went back and forth to visit and I thought I had things figured out until I went back in a different form of myself, stripped down bare bones, and I could see things from a different lens.
And I just learned so much about my history, about my family history, generational, all of that I had been doing. And I know I've talked to you about this. I had been doing a lot of work on masculine and feminine energy, understanding my own understanding of. Where I got it from the world and the masculine in my family, the feminine, my family, every time I went back, it was like, oh, we're working on this lesson now something would happen.
And I'm like, oh, that's what we're working on today. Okay, cool. And I believe that that's guiding me to whatever I need to learn or what I can
[00:21:29] Dana Frost: share. Yeah. It's really becoming the curious observer and our own experience. And without any judgment, no judgment, all just curiously observing. The interactions and what's happening and what's presenting and okay.
What's, you know what, what's the invitation in this situation.
[00:21:49] Jenn Dieas: And I'll also help me to depersonalize anything when you can be the observer and you're watching it. And I felt like in the last two years, I've really have felt like I'm watching my life from a little further away in making decisions differently than when you're so close to it.
You almost sometimes can't see. The divine path laid out. So I was able to move back and just learn an incredible amount about myself, about my history, about people in general, about the world. It's been, the cocoon has been like a graduate school for my soul. I feel like
[00:22:25] Dana Frost: I love that. I love that. And do you feel like you've come out of the cocoon?
Are you a butterfly?
[00:22:31] Jenn Dieas: I think so. I do think so. I think, I think like a very baby butterfly at this point, maybe a teenager, maybe like maybe a teenage butterfly, but it's definitely allowed me to just open up even more. And I'd been working on all of this heart opening and really trying to expand open and I can tell by the interactions, I always call it when your cab lights on or off, you know, when your cab lights on your emanating, this vibration that's attracting people.
And people are just coming in. Opportunities are coming. Everything that I said I wanted to work on or work towards is happening. And I've said it out loud and I've said it to people that I trust and I didn't keep it a secret. And I said, this is what I want next, because I know that it's going to take people to help me along the way.
And a lot of different ways, even just camping last a couple of days ago. And learning how to start fires differently with like the old guy campers around me or learning how to plug in, because you got to plug in the van to use AC you have to plug it into shore power and or else it drains the batteries really quick.
And I would just fairly confident. I knew how to do it, but I'm still sitting there and I'm at the little plug station and my neighbor is like this sweet, older man retired him and his wife. And I'm fiddling with this and I'm thinking to myself, am I doing this right? And I look over and he sees me. He says, yes.
I said, did you want to help? And he goes, yes. I said, I just want to make sure I'm doing this right. I'm a first time we're over here, novice. And he came and helped me and I was doing it right. But it was like ping validation. Then later that night I had an employee with me. We're doing a working retreat.
And we were building the fire in some, another older man came over from the other side, next door. He say, here, use this paraffin wax underneath. And this helps it burn this way. And this way we're like, I wouldn't have known that we wouldn't have known any of that, but it's just been awesome. Then the next morning we started on a road and he peeks around the corner.
He's like, you got it. And we're like, yeah. He's like, all right. And that's what I needed. I needed to remember. The world was good. That I'm wanting to be with people to help them get to their best spot, but they're also helping me. It's all like a wonderful full circle kind of opportunity. I feel like.
[00:24:56] Dana Frost: Yeah, it's really the sense that when we go on the road in essence, you're going on the road and we leave our comfortable habitation, our comfortable position in this can be metaphorical or physical when we leave that comfortable place.
And we go on the road. We open ourselves up so that we're not alone in essence, you're in a van alone, but in so many ways you're capitalized on.
[00:25:22] Jenn Dieas: Yep. It reminds me of this the whole time. When I left for Florida originally, I kept thinking of the hero's journey and that this was one giant chapter in my own hero's journey where, you know, you go and you leave home and you take the lessons and then you finally can bring them back.
And then I started over again, you know, Went back out into the world with what I had known and here's phase two. So I'm excited to see what I learned along the way. I'm already learning so much about myself and other people. It really is
[00:25:53] Dana Frost: beautiful. What are you most looking forward to
[00:25:57] Jenn Dieas: on the road? I really, like I said, I have always wanted to travel.
I knew. And it's always kind of been out of my financial realm, which made the van make so much sense. I'm like, well, I can live and work in it. You know, I'm very crafty when it comes to being creative and, and making things work. And I just really want to see the world that I'd like to remain deaf forever.
I'm dying to get out west. I love hiking. I love anything nature. So the last couple of nights sleeping with like a Creek behind you the whole night, you wake up to that. This is like, what really matters to me is being able to be like peaceful and grounded and harmonious making the decision to leave Chicago.
When I did was like, uh, a promise I'd made to myself a long time ago that I would never again, allow myself to be in a situation that felt unsafe no matter what I had to do, it doesn't matter I was going to do it. And that was the promise to myself. And by fulfilling that promise. I would model for other people that that's, you know, that's a way that you can operate and show them what happens on the other side of it so far.
So good.
[00:27:10] Dana Frost: That's really beautiful. Jen, thank you so much for sharing that. I really love that. So tell us, just preface what your business is like now.
[00:27:20] Jenn Dieas: Yeah. My business in Chicago, it's coming back, which is really thrilling. We're definitely still working on navigating the new landscape and what that kind of looks like.
Again, like it's hard to make decisions because there's still so much uncertainty and every day there's kind of like a new, new story that makes everyone panic. And so kind of navigating that and not allowing that to completely get in the way of my, my decision-making the business has come back like 50%, which.
And I have to just remember that the old numbers and the old way is gone and focus on the new way and what that can bring. I've been able to continue doing my coaching and consulting work for small business owners. And that's been like unbelievably fulfilling and it's so amazing to be able to go in the van and really integrate with people.
You know, this with. And with one-on-one coaching. It's like when you can be immersed in it, a lot of really beautiful change can happen. So that's the purpose of the van for the next, at least year to kind of, you know, keep visiting my people and helping the way that I can help and establishing, like where do I want to plant roots next?
Well, chapter in the way that it was and the old chapter is over. And so I'm writing the new chapter as like a. Um,
[00:28:40] Dana Frost: and so for our listeners to know, Jen has so much wisdom and insights to share, and I would love for people to know how they can follow your van life.
[00:28:52] Jenn Dieas: Uh, as in Jen underscore on Instagram, you can follow me there.
You can follow Jen diaz.com and yeah, I'll be out there on the road.
[00:29:02] Dana Frost: Her van is beautiful. It kind of has the color palette of the desert. That's kind of how I see the color palette. The van is Rosie. She has two sweet dogs that travel with her. Well, we could go on forever, Jen, but I think that we will just allow it to be this conversation today.
The beginning of your journey, the beginning of your van journey, and Jen is available for small businesses as well as a consultant, as a coach. Um, tell me, Jen, what does feeling younger while going older mean to you?
[00:29:40] Jenn Dieas: I would say to wrap it up in this particular conversation and how I feel right now.
Cause we were talking about this cocoon period. It's just continually dropping the weight that was nevermind to carry. I never realized how much weight that I carried that was never mine and continuing allow myself to do that to not feel any guilt or shame or regret about that. And every time I do that, it helps me just like stand a little taller, be a little lighter, move a little easier.
And that feels really good.
[00:30:13] Dana Frost: That's really beautiful. Jen, thank you so much for being a guest on the vitally you podcast. Thanks for
[00:30:18] Jenn Dieas: having me.
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